Finance for Physicists

This page arose because I am often asked for advice and suggestions about how to prepare for and get a job on Wall Street as a quantitative analyst.  Everything here is subjective and personal opinion, but I hope that you will find it useful.

Here is a good article from the Dec 1999 issue of The Industrial Physicist magazine, which describes the impact physicists are having on Wall Street:

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Risky business on Wall Street

There is no doubt that physicists and "quants" make a real difference to the way in which Wall Street works in the 21st century.  Read more about the trends and the dangers ...

Physics with finance at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In order to provide a cheap and easy way for physics students at my home institution to become knowledgeable in finance, I created a course option that yields a Masters in Finance for Physics students. Students registered for the University of Illinois Physics Ph.D can be enrolled in the Masters in Finance program, and receive credit for their physics courses. In other words, you can get a Masters in Finance for relatively little extra work. This is highly recommended for students contemplating a career as a quant on Wall Street. Unfortunately, this option has been discontinued at the time of writing (2008).

Courses at other universities

There are many courses offered in computational finance at academic institutions.   A partial list is given in this article from the July 1999 issue of RISK magazine.   They offer useful training, of course, but if you are thinking of taking one of these programs, I suggest that you bear in mind the cost, the opportunity cost, and the fact that many of the physicists currently working on Wall Street are self-trained and apparently able to do their jobs.

Job hunting on Wall Street

To get a job on Wall St., it is essential to be well-prepared and knowledgeable about financial derivatives. The days are over when you could get in with no knowledge and expect that your physics Ph.D would be enough. A useful qualification is to do a Masters of Finance course, if your institution permits it. This may not go far enough however, and more advanced reading should be done.

A fun place to start is the ingenious Comix series, from the trade magazine Derivatives Strategy.

It is also worth doing a summer internship at one of the major investment banks.   Since entrepreneurial spirit is one of the qualities that they prize, I will let you figure out how to arrange that ...

Books

Here are some recommended books on the theory of derivative securities, together with comments:

Here are some books that will give you a general background and are definitely worth reading if you intend to make this your career.  I know of at least one talented individual who eventually realised that Wall Street was not what he was looking for in life.  

Getting a job

The most efficient way to get a job is to contact a headhunter (see below). However, you might want to take a look at some other resources to get some idea of what is out there:

QuantFinanceJobs.com and Quantster and Fincareer and PhD.org and QuantFinanceJob
are online job boards that cater specifically to quantitative finance professionals and potential employers.

Do make use of the following websites:

a. Monster.com ( http://www.monster.com )
    A must do!  Headhunters read this and will start calling you several days after you post your resume. 

b. Huxley Associates ( http://www.huxley.com/ )

c. Hagan-Ricci Group ( http://www.hrg.net/hrg/ )

Here is the contact information of headhunters with whom I or colleagues have had some contact in the past. Disclaimer: by providing these numbers below I am not making any recommendation about the quality of these individuals, and this list should not be considered any sort of endorsement of the services they provide.

Barry Franklin
Integrated Management Resources
51 West Elliot Rd., Ste 108
Tempe, AZ 85284
ph. (480) 460-4422
fax (480) 460-4424
barry@integratedmgmt.com

Bob Long
Denison Group
551 Madison Avenue,
New York, New York 10022
ph. (212) 588-8883
boblong@denisongroup.com

Thomas Gan
Options Group
(212) 982-8359
tgan@optionsgroup.com

Joshua Bloom
Candidates on Demand Group, INC
(212) 213-0982 x107
jbloom@codgi.com

Ed Vertucci
WidePoint Corp.
(630) 953-6520
evertucci@widepoint.com

Note:  The company primarily works in the Chicago area.

Jim Brescoll
Columbia Technology Corporation
(212) 280-5500
jbrescoll@columbia-tech.com

Here are other headhunters whose numbers I have been given in the past, but I have had no personal contact with them.  Disclaimer: by providing these numbers below I am not making any recommendation about the quality of these individuals, and this list should not be considered any sort of endorsement of the services they provide.   I do not even know if all the numbers below are correct.

Beth Akins (212) 759-6400
Jaime Fields (212) 513-7777 
Scott Gerson (212) 986-3344
Linda Greenberg (212) 286-9409
Robin Isacson (212) 254-4452
Jiin Kang (212) 947-7114
Deborah Kolb (818) 999-9891 
Tom Morgan (212)513-7777 (ext 358)/ tom@pencom.com
Steven Popper (212) 719-0101
Steve Newman (212) 687-9696
Bob Reed (212) 378-4830
Daniel Raz (212) 545-8511
Gail Tudisco (212) 980-1411
Dina Wehn (212) 675-3224

I would suggest that before you get in contact with a headhunter, have a resume prepared, and do the apppropriate readings in finance. Since most of the places will actually ask questions and trick questions related to options, one has to be both prepared and show them that you are serious and have undertaken the necessary steps. Also things usually progress rather quickly; you may be expected to go for an interview within two weeks.

Getting a job: Interviews

Interviews on Wall Street have two goals, primarily: (1) To see if you are bright and can think on your feet quickly and accurately; (2) To see if you have any background knowledge about finance. Goal (1) is usually accomplished with brainteaser questions that have no finance content. Goal (2) is usually accomplished by seeing if the candidate's proclaimed expertise survives a reality test. I once interviewed a candidate who claimed extensive familiarity with interest rate models but was unable to write down the stochastic process for the Hull-White model. If you are thinking of working on Wall Street, and do not know the answer to this simple question yourself, consider that the interest rate derivatives market is the largest in the world: for example, according to the US Treasury, the notional value of interest rate derivative securities held by US commercial banks at the end of the 4th quarter 2004 was $76 trillion. You might enjoy comparing this number with the US gross national product (GNP).

Excellent advice on how to give an interview is available here (along with lots of other useful advice), and this can also be used to the advantage of the interviewee.

Here is a website that has some good brain teasers to practice on: these brainteasers test your ability to construct and understand algorithms for challenging problems that are unfamiliar.

Here is a new book that contains specific interview advice for those being interviewed for quantitative positions on Wall Street:

Heard on the Street : Quantitative Questions from Wall Street Job Interviews by Timothy Falcon Crack.


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Nigel Goldenfeld
Updated March 2008